In bombshell interview, whistleblower says he met Biden twice in connection with Chinese venture

In a lengthy interview with Tucker Carlson on Tuesday night, former Biden family business associate Tony Bobulinski accused Joe Biden of a "blatant lie" in denying any familiarity with his son Hunter's business undertakings, claiming he himself met with Biden on two separate occasions to discuss prospective ventures into Chinese markets. 

Bobulinski painted a picture of the Democratic presidential nominee as actively aware in broad strokes of plans for the Biden family to enter into a business partnership with Chinese nationals closely tied to the Chinese Communist Party and People's Liberation Army — yet with Biden himself maintaining enough distance from the operational details in face-to-face encounters to preserve what his brother Jim Biden would characterize as "plausible deniability."

Biden's family members, Bobulinski claimed, were "putting their entire family legacy on the line" in their dealings with the Chinese. 

"They knew exactly what they were doing," he said. They were dealing with a Chinese owned enterprise … that had strong financial support and political support from the Chinese Communist Party. That’s how it was presented to me. That’s not my own words. That’s how they presented it to me and read me in on it."

Bobulinski made headlines last week when he claimed to have firsthand evidence of Biden's involvement in those deals. "I've seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business," Bobulinski said in a statement. "I've seen firsthand that that's not true." 

In a largely unbroken 45-minute interview with Carlson on Tuesday, Bobulinski further went on the record, telling the Fox host that he was approached by the Biden family and several associates in 2017 in order to help manage a business venture in China. 

Bobulinski said he met with Biden at the Milken Institute's 2017 Global Conference in Los Angeles. "They were wining and dining me to get me more engaged," he told Carlson. 

"I didn't request to meet with Joe," Bobulinski said. "They requested I meet with Joe." 

Bobulinski, a retired U.S. Navy lieutenant, said he met with Biden twice in the course of his association with the family. Biden reportedly told Bobulinski to "keep an eye on Hunter and [Biden's brother] James" during their dealings. 

Chinese officials, Bobulinski said, looked at him as "irrelevant," seeing "the Biden family" as the main focus of their dealings. He claimed that the Bidens received a $5 million no-collateral, no-interest loan from Chinese officials. 

Bobulinski was motivated to come forward, he told Carlson, after California Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff denounced recently leaked emails involving Hunter Biden as "Russian disinformation." That allegation, Bobulinski told Carlson, also smeared his own family's name.

"I was at the end of the rope," he said. "I called [Biden associate] Rob Walker. I told him if that statement wasn't retracted by midnight on Sunday then I was going on record." 

"This isn't a political focus of mine," Bobulinski said during the interview. "People are accusing my family of treason after I served this country and defended this country."

The American public "should be demanding this should be investigated," Bobulinski said, pointing out that he has provided federal law enforcement with documents and other primary sources. "There absolutely should be no scenario that this isn't investigated."

Bobulinski told Carlson that, over the course of discussing the deals, at one point he asked Jim Biden: "How are you guys getting away with this?"

According to Bobulinski, Jim Biden laughed and responded: "Plausible deniability."